Hall Monitor: Bridging the Gap

Once again, our elected officials took to the halls of city hall, this time  for meeting 14-2012 of Kingston City Council. You can find the agenda and addeds from last night on the city’s website.

Is it just me, or are council meetings getting more exciting as they get longer and closer to summer? Last night, we heard procedural by-law come up repeatedly and saw a debate between the Mayor and Councillor Rick Downes – and a quick cut-off of Councillor Bill Glover by the Mayor. And a barrage of recorded votes. And points of order. And a point of personal privilege. And a non-existent point of clarification. What a night! Add to that the overflow room being all set and ready (again!) and a passionate motion to extend past 11:00 – to the end of the agenda, no less – and I was wishing I had popcorn!

We kicked off with a debate between the Mayor and Councillor Rick Downes when Rick attempted to ask a question that the Mayor felt was out of line. After a bit of back-and-forth (and a failed challenge of the chair by Councillor Glover) we got into the meat – using the Mayor’s fancy new stopwatch to time people. But then, council seemingly quickly tossed all of Report 59 – and most of 60 – into the approved pile. No debates, no separations. So quickly did they pass it, that if you weren’t paying attention, you would have missed the new advertiser for Kingston Transit, the space for a kids fishing derby and a noise exemption for the Howe Island Ferry Terminal. You also would have missed the $3.8 million dollar surplus from 2011 being handed out to reserve funds (Working Fund, Solid Waste & Recycling, Transit, Police Equipment, Affordable Housing and the Library). So fast, in fact – that we all saw hope that we’d be out early!

But that’s not where the action was to be. After a 10-minute presentation by staff, and a lengthy Q&A, we got into the hour-long debate about the new bridge. After various reminders that the item was about accepting the Environmental Assessment and not about if we truly needed another bridge, the item passed 10-3 (Councillors Glover, Hutchison and Neill opposed). In doing so, the city gives itself roughly 10 years to determine the need and want for the bridge and move ahead with it. We’ll see. We stumbled around a bit (and re-deferred two items that had been twice before deferred) until we landed on a parking fee increase item. On the surface, it seemed innocent enough, but it was during the debate that the item’s true colours shone through: It was designed to encourage transit use. Deferral was proposed until we have a better transit system (whenever that is) – but in time (and with the extension of council), the item lost, 8-5 with Councillors Downes, Glover, Hutchison, Neill and Scott being the ones in favour.

But we weren’t done yet! A few more small debates came through – as do a few deferrals – and we were into the PARC item. I’m not going to go on about the debate – it’s all the same arguments for and against having the city involved in the school board’s process that we’ve heard before. The motion was to ask the two PARC groups to delay decisions on closing the schools so that further discussions could be had about alternatives. It went back and forth – as the PARC items have – and ended in a 7-5 pass with Councillors Berg, George, Hector, Paterson and  Scott voting against the item. We adjourned at 11:56 – accomplishing far more than I anticipated, but deferring more than I would have liked to see.

Our live streaming video is getting better, and we now using the audio directly from the city’s microphones. I’ve asked the Clerk’s office to remind council and staff that mic use – especially for something like what we’re doing – is paramount as we had a few cuts in audio. A new tool was built for recorded votes, and I’m working on a better quality video stream. Our Twitter feed is below. See you in two weeks!

• 7:26 PM: Jut set up now – they’ve go the overflow room ready to go. Going to be a long and busy night. #ygkc ^TV
• 7:32 PM: I’m testing new streaming work tonight – let me know your thoughts? http://t.co/8Nl3PGHC #ygkc ^TV
• 7:54 PM: Bell rings, 7:54pm. Away we go! #ygkc ^TV
• 7:55 PM: Follow along with the agenda at http://t.co/w77Di3Sa #ygkc ^TV
• 7:56 PM: We’re on the go! Addeds are in, disclosure of pecuniary from Coun. Downes due to the PARC issue. Coun. George declares one too. #ygkc ^TV
• 7:57 PM: And one from Coun. Schell. Mayor suggests we slowly eliminate everybody. #mayorjokes #ygkc ^TV
• 7:58 PM: First delegation is up – talking about youth arts week. #ygkc ^TV
• 8:04 PM: Our second delegation is about secondary suites from Social Issues Networking Group. #ygkc ^TV
• 8:09 PM: Coun. Downes asks the delegation about parking. Delegate mentions that report suggested tandem parking. #ygkc ^TV
• 8:10 PM: We’re streaming the#ygkc meeting live – and audio has been fixed! Follow along at http://t.co/PUzJ7RUG #ygkc ^TV
• 8:12 PM: Counc Glover comments that the delegate seems in favour of a report that suggests an area; delegate suggest city-wide. #ygkc ^TV
• 8:12 PM: Delegate mentions that report writers were told in advance that it would be about a specific area. #ygkc ^TV
• 8:13 PM: Ken Linseman up next about the environmental report for the new bridge. #ygkc ^TV
• 8:15 PM: Delegate mentions that due to capacity + expansion of 401, a new bridge wouldn’t be required. #ygkc ^TV
• 8:19 PM: Delegate is saying that traffic issues are at lights at Barrack St, Duty Dr and Hwy 15/Hwy 2. #ygkc ^TV
• 8:19 PM: Mayor warned council not to stray from the agenda topic, Coun. Downes did, Mayor said Downes didn’t listen. #ygkc ^TV
• 8:21 PM: Coun. Downes calls a pers. point and asks why he was out of line. Mayor says its because he warned that Q&A should only be on item #ygkc ^TV
• 8:24 PM: Large debate between the Mayor and Coun. Downes about if he was in line. Coun. Glover comes up with a point of order abt the item. #ygkc ^TV
• 8:25 PM: Coun. Glover mentions that the need is part of the agenda item, and therefore relevant. #ygkc ^TV
• 8:26 PM: Coun. Glover challenges the chair on the ruling that they only ask questions about moving to EA phase 5.
• 8:27 PM: As an aside, for those following along, Bylaw 2010-1, section 11.11 is the one for debate. #ygkc ^TV
• 8:27 PM: Recorded vote on the challenge from Coun. Glover. Results to follow… #ygkc ^TV
• 8:28 PM: Result: Lost 10-3 | REQ: MG | SB: N; RD: N; KG: N; MG: N; BG: Y; DH: N; RH: Y; JN: Y; LO: N; BP: N; BR: N; LS: N; JS: N; #rv #ygkc ^TV
• 8:31 PM: We are finally out of delegations and onto the emotionals. Wow. #ygkc ^TV
• 8:35 PM: Mayor mentions no deferred motions, Then warns that he now has a proper stopwatch to monitor the 5-minute rule tonight. #ygkc ^TV
• 8:37 PM: Report 59 of the CAO up first. No separations. All items pass. #ygkc ^TV
• 8:37 PM: Mayor jokes about the lack of separation “Maybe we won’t be as long”… Sigh. #mayorjokes #ygkc ^TV
• 8:38 PM: Report 60 of the CAO item 1 passes. We’re into item 2 already. #ygkc ^TV
• 8:39 PM: Report 60 item 2 passes. Q4 2011 budget next. Coun. Neill thanks staff for reserve fund for the library. Passes. #ygkc ^TV
• 8:40 PM: Staff briefing on the EA for the bridge next. He gets 10 minutes. #ygkc ^TV
• 8:43 PM: Follow along with the #ygkc agenda at http://t.co/XARmSq51 – and join the live stream at http://t.co/8diPZJC2 #ygkc ^TV
• 8:50 PM: Bridge cost: 120M for 2-lane, 200M for 4-lane to build. 25k – 35l to maintain. #ygkc ^TV
• 8:50 PM: Once the EA period is finished and confirmed, city will have 10 years to go-ahead with the build. #ygkc ^TV
• 8:52 PM: Mayor Gerretsen comments that the presentation was 10-minutes on the dot. Plus thank yous. Well done! #ygkc ^TV
• 8:53 PM: Coun. Reitzel asking about the 401 EDR and how a bridge might impact that. #ygkc ^TV
• 8:55 PM: Coun. Reitzel asking about the consultations with the first nations communities. City staff to answer. #ygkc ^TV
• 8:55 PM: Staff says they’ve done mailouts and phone campaigns and it’s been very positive. #ygkc ^TV
• 8:58 PM: @robertkileygpo I’m sitting in the media area… Don’t have the best view of the councillors. #ygkc ^TV
• 8:58 PM: Coun. Osanic asking about traffic planning; master plan and potential widening of highway 15. #ygkc ^TV
• 8:59 PM: Presenter comments that various road projects all get EAs, Highway 15 was already suggested for a widening. #ygkc ^TV
• 9:00 PM: Speaker comments that as the master plan is reviewed, highway 15 widening would be considered as part of that review. #ygkc ^TV
• 9:01 PM: Final question from Coun. Osanic is on cost of land purchase. Presenter has no figure to provide. #ygkc ^TV
• 9:04 PM: Coun. Glover asking about emergency response times. Presenter says that a bridge would be an assistance to those times. #ygkc ^TV
• 9:06 PM: Coun. Scott asking about costs if the study has a 10yr shelf life. Presentation says that costs get updated if bridge goes ahead. #ygkc ^TV
• 9:08 PM: Presenter says that no, the bridge would be part of the road network. Other items would be part of the bridge design. #ygkc ^TV
• 9:09 PM: Read the bridge environmental assessment yourself – it’s available at http://t.co/NUg26VFW #ygkc ^TV
• 9:11 PM: Coun. Reitzel asking if another EA has ever been completed in the decades the bridge has been discussed. nobody knows. #ygkc ^TV
• 9:12 PM: Coun. Reitzel asks about a risk assesment for not building a bridge. Presenter says no: risks are services-related. #ygkc ^TV
• 9:13 PM: Coun. Hutchison asks about next steps: calls for continued monitoring across the river. Wants to know what that covers. #ygkc ^TV
• 9:18 PM: Coun. Hutchison asking about if traffic is already using 401, what would a bridge do? #ygkc ^TV
• 9:18 PM: Presenter comments that people generally still use the causeway – even with the congestion. #ygkc ^TV
• 9:20 PM: Traffic planner says that people are using the 401 only out of necessity – not desire. #ygkc ^TV
• 9:23 PM: Coun. Hutchison asking about the cost of upgrading the causeway to improve capacity. #ygkc ^TV
• 9:25 PM: Presenter says that even if the causeway is widened, by doing that instead of a new bridge, we wouldn’t satisfy need. #ygkc ^TV
• 9:28 PM: Presenter mentions that bridge lifespan is 100yrs to Coun. Schell’s question about capital costs for maintenance. #ygkc ^TV
• 9:28 PM: We’re onto 4b – this is the motion to actually pass the bridge item. 4a was the presentation and Q&A #ygkc ^TV
• 9:29 PM: Coun. Scott talks first: Comments on the 401 accidents and the impact in his district. #ygkc ^TV
• 9:31 PM: Mayor interrupts Coun. Scott to remind council after a Clerk chat to remind staff to stay on topic – just the EA. #ygkc ^TV
• 9:32 PM: Comments from @MayorOfKingston stop Coun. Scott in his tracks. No further commens. Onto Coun. Downes. #ygkc ^TV
• 9:33 PM: Coun. Downes comments on the impressiveness of the recent reports coming from staff. #ygkc ^TV
• 9:34 PM: Coun. Downes says that the reports have stamps from professions on each copy and that adds value. #ygkc ^TV
• 9:35 PM: Coun. Glover disagrees that the report is as impressive and complete as Coun. Downes suggested. #ygkc ^TV
• 9:36 PM: Coun. Glover not planning to support the motion. #ygkc ^TV
• 9:37 PM: Coun. Hutchison asking for an amendment to monitor traffic on multiple streets. Seconded by Coun. Scott. #ygkc ^TV
• 9:38 PM: And @DorothyAHector calls a Pt of Order – the amendment isn’t about the approval of the EA. #ygkc ^TV
• 9:39 PM: And @MayorOfKingston agrees and rules the amendment is out of order. #ygkc ^TV
• 9:40 PM: Coun. Hutchison says that his wording came out of the report. @MayorOfKingston would accept in-order if it’s added to rpt. #ygkc ^TV
• 9:42 PM: Clerk says it’s a bad idea to amend staff report. @MayorOfKingston suggests a new motion. #ygkc ^TV
• 9:42 PM: Coun. Hutchison not supporting it, doesn’t think we’ll get to building the bridge in the 10-year life of the report. #ygkc ^TV
• 9:43 PM: Coun. Osanic wantss to amend that public comments come in. @MayorOfKingston rules that it should be a separate motion. #ygkc ^TV
• 9:44 PM: Comment from @BrianReitzel that “we won’t waste 2 million dollars” on his watch – agrees with report and will vote for it. #ygkc ^TV
• 9:45 PM: .@JimNeill3 not supporting the motions. Concerns that other items will make this old news. #ygkc ^TV
• 9:46 PM: And @JimNeill3 says he’s expecting it to pass. Coun. George will be supporting it. Feels it’s been an important issue so far. #ygkc ^TV
• 9:47 PM: Recorded vote requested by @DorothyAHector #ygkc ^TV
• 9:47 PM: Result: Pass 10-3 | REQ: Unkn | SB: Y; RD: Y; KG: Y; MG: Y; BG: N; DH: Y; RH: N; JN: N; LO: Y; BP: Y; BR: Y; LS: Y; JS: Y; #rv #ygkc ^TV
• 9:49 PM: Deputy Mayor Coun. Glover takes chair as @MayorOfKingston has conflict. #ygkc ^TV
• 9:49 PM: Secondary suites item defferred to next meeting as we’re waiting on a report. @MayorOfKingston takes the chair back. #ygkc ^TV
• 9:50 PM: The rest of report 61 passes. We’re into report 62 from ARC after multiple deferrals. #ygkc ^TV
• 9:51 PM: ARC report is deferred on motion from Coun. Schell as the appropriate commissioner is on vacation. #ygkc ^TV
• 9:52 PM: That’s the third time, btw, that that PARC report has been deferred. @MayorOfKingston says commissioner said it’s not time sensitive….
• 9:53 PM: Into rpt 63. Each will be separated. Coun. Downes urges council to support item 1: Lower speed limits at @queensu. #ygkc ^TV
• 9:54 PM: Coun. Glover says Globe & Mail had a story about limits being lowered city-wide. #ygkc ^TV
• 9:55 PM: Lower speed limit at Queen’s carries unanimously. #ygkc ^TV
• 9:55 PM: Clarification on the last recorded vote: was requested by @DorothyAHector – my tracker seems to have missed that. #ygkc ^TV
• 9:57 PM: Bridge EA: Pass 10-3 | REQ: DH | SB: Y; RD: Y; KG: Y; MG: Y; BG: N; DH: Y; RH: N; JN: N; LO: Y; BP: Y; BR: Y; LS: Y; JS: Y; #rv #ygkc ^TV
• 9:57 PM: Coun. George says that parking item is too early and should be considered later. #ygkc ^TV
• 9:58 PM: Coun. Downes disagrees. Comments that he went to Toronto without a car to use public transit. #ygkc ^TV
• 9:59 PM: Coun. Downes says that this is being considered because we have a successful downtown. Should be encouraging transit use. #ygkc ^TV
• 10:00 PM: Coun. Downes says that this increased cost would be a short term benefit, with long term gains. #ygkc ^TV
• 10:02 PM: Comment from @JimNeill3 says that EITP voted unanimously in favour of this item. #ygkc ^TV
• 10:04 PM: Add’l comment from @JimNeill3: Only rec’d 3 emails to not do this. #ygkc ^TV
• 10:06 PM: Coun. Hutchison: We’ve been looking at north block redevelopment for a long time. #ygkc ^TV
• 10:08 PM: Coun. Hutchison says that a third-party a poll suggests that people would find alternate transport with parking fee increase. #ygkc ^TV
• 10:09 PM: Amendment from Coun. Hutchison that the monthly rate increase in two steps, Sept 2012 and Jan 2013. #ygkc ^TV
• 10:12 PM: Both @DorothyAHector and Coun. Downes speaking against amendment. Hector because of increased staff work. #ygkc ^TV
• 10:13 PM: Coun. Downes against because it doesn’t quickly solve the issue. Coun. Osanic going against it, too – lack of transit being why. #ygkc ^TV
• 10:14 PM: Amendment fails. Coun. Hutchison still supports motion. Only person in favour of the amendment was Coun. Hutchison. #ygkc ^TV
• 10:15 PM: Coun. Paterson says that behaviour change needs to be researched. More expensive already to take car downtown. #ygkc ^TV
• 10:17 PM: Coun. Paterson says that cars come downtown for convenience. That doesn’t exist in Kingston. #ygkc ^TV
• 10:17 PM: .@DorothyAHector asks when transit express route will come to Front Rd. Staff: Sept 2013. #ygkc ^TV
• 10:19 PM: .@DorothyAHector says it’s 5-minutes by car from her area to drive downtown. 45-60 minutes by bus. #ygkc ^TV
• 10:20 PM: And @DorothyAHector says that she’s in favour of both better transit and upped parking rates. But this is the wrong order. #ygkc ^TV
• 10:22 PM: Coun. Scott says that the other councillors have covered much of his concerns. Will support once a better transit exists. #ygkc ^TV
• 10:23 PM: Coun. Glover asking about a parking expert that spoke with council in the fall and the costs of it. #ygkc ^TV
• 10:27 PM: Staff: We need to dispel myth that there is no parking downtown: there is just not at the cost people want to pay. #ygkc ^TV
• 10:30 PM: Staff: No major transit improvements planned between now and fall, 2013. #ygkc ^TV
• 10:31 PM: Taking a quick break from the desk during the parking discussion. Stream remains live at http://t.co/8diPZJC2 #ygkc ^TV
• 10:35 PM: Back at the desk before the vote on the parking rate issue was decided. #ygkc ^TV
• 10:37 PM: Coun. Osanic proposes a deferral until implementation of the express bus routes. #ygkc ^TV
• 10:38 PM: Coun. Downes clarifying the item. Coun. Osanic clarifies that it’s deferring the question. #ygkc ^TV
• 10:40 PM: This is the very difficult part of the job – to herd people. — @MayorOfKingston
• 10:40 PM: And @DorothyAHector is asking @MayorOfKingston to follow bylaw one. Debate moves to time and place. #ygkc ^TV
• 10:42 PM: And @BrianReitzel says question about time: East side won’t get express routes until 2015. #ygkc ^TV
• 10:43 PM: Motion to extend council to completion from Coun. Scott to finish. Seconded by @councillorberg. Passes. Long night ahead. #ygkc ^TV
• 10:45 PM: Comment from @DorothyAHector to specify Sept 2013. Amendment on the deferral now on floor from Hector. #ygkc ^TV
• 10:45 PM: Ha! @MayorOfKingston says “I’m not timing anyone anymore. Police yourself. #mayorjokes #ygkc ^TV
• 10:47 PM: Comment from @MayorOfKingston “Very quickly”: Funds need to be there, but tactic seems to be to drive people to buses. #ygkc ^TV
• 10:49 PM: Coun. Downes asks if we could pass the item tonight, but make them effective in sept 2013. #ygkc ^TV
• 10:50 PM: Also jokes that that’s a consensus, given that he and @DorothyAHector agree. #ygkc ^TV
• 10:51 PM: Amendment on deferral passes. Deferral itself is lost. We’re back to the original item. #ygkc ^TV
• 10:54 PM: Comment from @BrianReitzel that he’s taking offence on behalf of the people of the east end. North block could be years away. #ygkc ^TV
• 10:56 PM: The east residents are being penalized, says @BrianReitzel – slow bridge adoption, poor transit. #ygkc ^TV
• 10:58 PM: Recorded vote on the parking issue from @BrianReitzel. Results to follow. #ygkc ^TV
• 10:59 PM: Result: Lost 8-5 | REQ: BR | SB: N; RD: Y; KG: N; MG: N; BG: Y; DH: N; RH: Y; JN: Y; LO: N; BP: N; BR: N; LS: N; JS: Y; #rv #ygkc ^TV
• 11:00 PM: Electric vehicle item up. Mayor declares pecuniary as he leases one. Deputy Glover has chair. #ygkc ^TV
• 11:03 PM: Electric vehicle item passes. Comment from the chair: “Seeing none opposed”. #ygkc ^TV
• 11:04 PM: Mayor: You couldn’t take 2 hours for that one? I could have gone across the street for a drink! #mayorjokes #ygkc ^TV
• 11:06 PM: Report 64 item 1 passes. Quick questions from @DorothyAHector about the visual fire alarm issue. #ygkc ^TV
• 11:08 PM: Seems @DorothyAHector is concerned about people with epilepsy having seizures on flashing lights during a fire. #ygkc ^TV
• 11:11 PM: Motion to defer the fire alarm issue carries. So does the seniors advisory committee item. #ygkc ^TV
• 11:13 PM: Rural advisory report passes. #ygkc ^TV
• 11:15 PM: We’re passing through questions for the information reports. They all pass with little to no questions. Youth week, passes. #ygkc ^TV
• 11:16 PM: When you turn around, Mr. Clerk, I think I did something wrong…. Oh, I did do something wrong — @MayorOfKingston #mayorjokes #ygkc ^TV
• 11:19 PM: The information reports clear, so do the misc motions. Onto mew motions. Here we go again. #ygkc ^TV
• 11:20 PM: We start with an item about endorsing another community’s item about horse racing. #ygkc ^TV
• 11:22 PM: Horse racing item passes. Onto PARC. “I’m going to take a deep breath – this is all one sentence.” #mayorjokes #ygkc ^TV
• 11:25 PM: We kick off with the mover, Coun. Hutchison. “As a community, we must do something about this”. #ygkc ^TV
• 11:29 PM: Coun. Glover mentions that when it came before council, question was about mandate: city vs trustees. #ygkc ^TV
• 11:30 PM: Coun. Glover also says that 65% of students at KCVI come from outside of it’s area. #ygkc ^TV
• 11:32 PM: Coun. Glover saying that the PARC process has been very divisive, school vs school; community vs community. #ygkc ^TV
• 11:33 PM: Coun. Scott – rep on the PARC for the city. Comments from a discussion from a director at the LDSB. #ygkc ^TV
• 11:34 PM: Follow the #PARC debate and vote by live video at http://t.co/8diPZJC2 #ygkc ^TV
• 11:34 PM: Board director said that shared use would need to align with mission of the board. #ygkc ^TV
• 11:35 PM: Board wants to keep things separated. Adults/children, different age groups. #ygkc ^TV
• 11:37 PM: Coun. Scott: i see no reason for us to interfere with this project any further. #ygkc ^TV
• 11:38 PM: From @JimNeill3 – actual PARC participants have been very frustrated with the process. #ygkc ^TV
• 11:42 PM: From @JimNeill3: Ultimately, it will be the boards and their trustees that will decide this. We’re just asking for more ideas. #ygkc ^TV
• 11:43 PM: .@councillorberg was concerned that this would pit school v. school – and still has those concerns. #ygkc ^TV
• 11:44 PM: And @councillorberg says that the board process is in place and is working. Won’t be supporting. #ygkc ^TV
• 11:44 PM: And @JimNeill3 asks for a recorded vote. Coun. Paterson: Nobody in the city would be in favor of a closure. #ygkc ^TV
• 11:45 PM: Coun. Paterson says he’s in favour of the intent… But not of this process. At best, this is not needed, at worse, not helpful. #ygkc ^TV
• 11:46 PM: Coun. Paterson: We need to have confidence in our trustees. They’ve heard our concerns. #ygkc ^TV
• 11:47 PM: Coun. Schell is in support because of emails and calls from citizens: “We’re being asked to help” #ygkc ^TV
• 11:48 PM: Question from @MayorOfKingston about how long the tax resets have been in place. CAO says since roughly 4 years. #ygkc ^TV
• 11:49 PM: From @MayorOfKingston: I have no problem supporting this. At the end of the day, we’re sending a letter. #ygkc ^TV
• 11:50 PM: From @MayorOfKingston: Trustees are elected and accountable, just like the council and mayor are. #ygkc ^TV
• 11:51 PM: From @MayorOfKingston: I didn’t get an invite to the meeting last night. Sounds like Coun. Scott didn’t either. #ygkc ^TV
• 11:53 PM: PARC Result: Pass 7-5 | REQ: JN | SB: N; RD: N/A; KG: Y; MG: Y; BG: Y; DH: N; RH: Y; JN: Y; LO: Y; BP: N; BR: Y; LS: Y; JS: N; ##ygkc ^TVrv
• 11:54 PM: Request to base commander to speak is passed. So are minutes. We’re onto by-laws. #ygkc ^TV
• 11:56 PM: By-laws pass. We’re out of here. Adjournment at 11:56pm. #ygkc ^TV
• 10:26 AM: Correcting a #rv count from last night’s #ygkc meeting on the PARC issue. ^TV
• 11:26 AM: PARC Result: Pass 7-5 | REQ: JN | SB: N; RD: N/A; KG: N; MG: Y; BG: Y; DH: N; RH: Y; JN: Y; LO: Y; BP: N; BR: Y; LS: Y; JS: N; #rv #ygkc ^TV