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	<title>Comments on: Front&#8217;s Grin and Bear it</title>
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		<title>By: Nancy</title>
		<link>http://www.kingstonist.com/2009/12/14/teddy-bear-toss/comment-page-1/#comment-1916</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been to many sporting events and concerts in many cities, large and small, around North America. At virtually every one, parking is more expensive than in Kingston, and at many, a long walk is mandatory for those who are not mobility-impaired, even if only from the outer fringes of a massive parking lot. Parking is already heavily subsidized (read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boingboing.net/2009/08/07/free-parking-costs-a.html&quot; target=_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; for example) and those who park should pay part of the true cost of parking to society. In the long term, this will provide incentives to car pool, to use public transit, and to vote for politicians who support better public transit and urban planning. Many Canadians say they want to live in a more environmentally-friendly way, but providing free or heavily subsidized parking does not encourage environmentally-friendly behaviour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been to many sporting events and concerts in many cities, large and small, around North America. At virtually every one, parking is more expensive than in Kingston, and at many, a long walk is mandatory for those who are not mobility-impaired, even if only from the outer fringes of a massive parking lot. Parking is already heavily subsidized (read <a href="http://www.boingboing.net/2009/08/07/free-parking-costs-a.html" target=_blank" rel="nofollow">this</a> for example) and those who park should pay part of the true cost of parking to society. In the long term, this will provide incentives to car pool, to use public transit, and to vote for politicians who support better public transit and urban planning. Many Canadians say they want to live in a more environmentally-friendly way, but providing free or heavily subsidized parking does not encourage environmentally-friendly behaviour.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob C.</title>
		<link>http://www.kingstonist.com/2009/12/14/teddy-bear-toss/comment-page-1/#comment-1905</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the increased cost of parking hasn&#039;t helped.  I know specifically of one of the nearby City of Kingston lots that had their price double since 2007.  Used to be $7 to stay at this specific one for 24 hours, now it&#039;s $14.

Jacking up parking because the new arena is coming is short-sighted.  Fans would spend more than 7 bucks at the arena if they&#039;re going there.  Either at the arena or surrounding businesses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the increased cost of parking hasn&#8217;t helped.  I know specifically of one of the nearby City of Kingston lots that had their price double since 2007.  Used to be $7 to stay at this specific one for 24 hours, now it&#8217;s $14.</p>
<p>Jacking up parking because the new arena is coming is short-sighted.  Fans would spend more than 7 bucks at the arena if they&#8217;re going there.  Either at the arena or surrounding businesses.</p>
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		<title>By: Harvey Kirkpatrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harvey Kirkpatrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@That Guy Fully Agree that the price is outrageous. If you equate a hockey game to other forms of entertainment, admission to the theatre isn&#039;t that pricey...or at least it didn&#039;t used to be.  Also, I love the word trinketry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@That Guy Fully Agree that the price is outrageous. If you equate a hockey game to other forms of entertainment, admission to the theatre isn&#8217;t that pricey&#8230;or at least it didn&#8217;t used to be.  Also, I love the word trinketry.</p>
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		<title>By: That Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.kingstonist.com/2009/12/14/teddy-bear-toss/comment-page-1/#comment-1901</link>
		<dc:creator>That Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adopted hometown proud and all that...but this is straight from their website:
Adult - $18
Student/Senior - $16
Child (3-13) - $14

So to take my family of 4 to a game would be $64 for tickets plus parking plus food plus any trinketry/programs for the kids plus tax plus...

That&#039;s pretty pricy to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adopted hometown proud and all that&#8230;but this is straight from their website:<br />
Adult &#8211; $18<br />
Student/Senior &#8211; $16<br />
Child (3-13) &#8211; $14</p>
<p>So to take my family of 4 to a game would be $64 for tickets plus parking plus food plus any trinketry/programs for the kids plus tax plus&#8230;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s pretty pricy to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob C.</title>
		<link>http://www.kingstonist.com/2009/12/14/teddy-bear-toss/comment-page-1/#comment-1899</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 03:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Used to help cover the games with TVCogeco at the Memorial Centre.   They always had a large walk up crowd from the neighbourhood.  I&#039;d get there to set up and fans would be inside already having a coffee.  Then more would come near gametime.  If the team was good or bad they showed up.

The owner kept talking about &quot;needing&quot; a new arena and it would help them be a better team.  By attracting players with the new facilities.  But the team has the same owner and GM who have proven they can&#039;t or won&#039;t put a winning team on the ice.  At the old arena they had some leeway with fans.  With all the money spent on the KRC their patience has come to an end.

I would say location is a problem when the team is not doing well.  When a team is doing well fans will show up. If they&#039;re struggling it makes the effort to get to arena harder to justify.

Personally I&#039;ve seen a few concerts at the KRC but still haven&#039;t been to ONE game at the new place.  One big reason is since I&#039;m on the radio Friday nights and that&#039;s when most home games are.  But I don&#039;t see why I should spend money on a team with ownership like this.  Plus after helping out on the Golden Gaels football broadcasts on CFRC it really makes the Fronts pale in comparison.

&lt;a href =&quot;http://frontenacshome.yuku.com/forum/view/id/1&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fronts Talk&lt;/a&gt; is a good message board to check out. Fans much more passionate about the team than I am. One good line on there about what fans want for Christmas.

&quot;For Christmas I would like a new owner for the Frontenacs, that&#039;s it, is that asking too much?&quot;

That is the feeling among many fans these days.  When it gets to that level it&#039;s quite hard to turnaround unless you win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Used to help cover the games with TVCogeco at the Memorial Centre.   They always had a large walk up crowd from the neighbourhood.  I&#8217;d get there to set up and fans would be inside already having a coffee.  Then more would come near gametime.  If the team was good or bad they showed up.</p>
<p>The owner kept talking about &#8220;needing&#8221; a new arena and it would help them be a better team.  By attracting players with the new facilities.  But the team has the same owner and GM who have proven they can&#8217;t or won&#8217;t put a winning team on the ice.  At the old arena they had some leeway with fans.  With all the money spent on the KRC their patience has come to an end.</p>
<p>I would say location is a problem when the team is not doing well.  When a team is doing well fans will show up. If they&#8217;re struggling it makes the effort to get to arena harder to justify.</p>
<p>Personally I&#8217;ve seen a few concerts at the KRC but still haven&#8217;t been to ONE game at the new place.  One big reason is since I&#8217;m on the radio Friday nights and that&#8217;s when most home games are.  But I don&#8217;t see why I should spend money on a team with ownership like this.  Plus after helping out on the Golden Gaels football broadcasts on CFRC it really makes the Fronts pale in comparison.</p>
<p><a href ="http://frontenacshome.yuku.com/forum/view/id/1" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Fronts Talk</a> is a good message board to check out. Fans much more passionate about the team than I am. One good line on there about what fans want for Christmas.</p>
<p>&#8220;For Christmas I would like a new owner for the Frontenacs, that&#8217;s it, is that asking too much?&#8221;</p>
<p>That is the feeling among many fans these days.  When it gets to that level it&#8217;s quite hard to turnaround unless you win.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Joyce</title>
		<link>http://www.kingstonist.com/2009/12/14/teddy-bear-toss/comment-page-1/#comment-1898</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Joyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 02:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the sea of empty seats is completely normal here in Kingston.

This is proof positive how corrupt is local mainstream media.  The LVEC should be an continuing scandal.  In this little town, the newspaper is in bed with the downtown that burdened us for the next three decades with this absolute and total disgrace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the sea of empty seats is completely normal here in Kingston.</p>
<p>This is proof positive how corrupt is local mainstream media.  The LVEC should be an continuing scandal.  In this little town, the newspaper is in bed with the downtown that burdened us for the next three decades with this absolute and total disgrace.</p>
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