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	<title>Comments on: More About Historic Kingston Shops</title>
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		<title>By: leifer</title>
		<link>http://www.kingstonist.com/2009/06/16/more-about-historic-kingston-shops/comment-page-1/#comment-1033</link>
		<dc:creator>leifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 01:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to &lt;a href=&quot;http://thewhig.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1616039&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this story&lt;/a&gt; &quot;Kingston&#039;s overall economy will shrink by 0.8% in 2009&quot; but &quot;Retail sales will also plunge 8.5%&quot;. Is that enough to close 18 downtown shops? Maybe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to <a href="http://thewhig.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1616039" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">this story</a> &#8220;Kingston&#8217;s overall economy will shrink by 0.8% in 2009&#8243; but &#8220;Retail sales will also plunge 8.5%&#8221;. Is that enough to close 18 downtown shops? Maybe.</p>
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		<title>By: RicoJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>RicoJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For starters, is it possible to have a meaningful conversation about downtown when it&#039;s coined narrowly in terms of just shops, and their owners or managers?

I think it STARTS with the land-owners.  Any discussion about dolling-up downtown, either simply with signage, or expensively with construction, is foremost a subsidy to downtown land-owners.

See, it&#039;s the land owners who, in good times and bad, squeeze blood from the shop-owners.  If empty shops means anything, surely it means an over-priced or otherwise onerous commercial leasing environment.

So if we could start the discussion over, then how about: who are the downtown land-owners, and why do we apparently always begin discourse as you have here, with the assumption that more taxpayer-funded subsidy is the answer to making a better commercial picture downtown?

Try this: with any argument, replace &quot;downtown&quot; with &quot;upper Princess Street&quot; or &quot;Gardiners Road&quot; or &quot;Division Street&quot;.  If the argument turns to folly with this simple substitution, then likely the whole notion needs re-thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For starters, is it possible to have a meaningful conversation about downtown when it&#8217;s coined narrowly in terms of just shops, and their owners or managers?</p>
<p>I think it STARTS with the land-owners.  Any discussion about dolling-up downtown, either simply with signage, or expensively with construction, is foremost a subsidy to downtown land-owners.</p>
<p>See, it&#8217;s the land owners who, in good times and bad, squeeze blood from the shop-owners.  If empty shops means anything, surely it means an over-priced or otherwise onerous commercial leasing environment.</p>
<p>So if we could start the discussion over, then how about: who are the downtown land-owners, and why do we apparently always begin discourse as you have here, with the assumption that more taxpayer-funded subsidy is the answer to making a better commercial picture downtown?</p>
<p>Try this: with any argument, replace &#8220;downtown&#8221; with &#8220;upper Princess Street&#8221; or &#8220;Gardiners Road&#8221; or &#8220;Division Street&#8221;.  If the argument turns to folly with this simple substitution, then likely the whole notion needs re-thinking.</p>
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