Comments on: Know When to Fold ‘Em http://www.kingstonist.com/2009/03/12/know-when-to-fold-em/ News, Politics, Events, Music, Art, Theatre, Restaurants, Sports, Environment, Everything and Anything in Kingston, Ontario. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:01:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Harvey Kirkpatrick http://www.kingstonist.com/2009/03/12/know-when-to-fold-em/comment-page-1/#comment-1059 Harvey Kirkpatrick Sat, 18 Jul 2009 18:52:13 +0000 http://www.kingstonist.com/?p=1007#comment-1059 @eyesinthecity Regarding the prevalence of self-interest groups, I do not think that Kingston has an overabundance, especially when you compare us to cities of similar size or composition. These types of groups spring up for a reason, and certainly some more noble, well educated, and/or well funded than others. In certain cases, these groups offer a sober, second voice so that key issues are not overlooked by elected officials. When it comes to SPLASH, I think you'd be hard pressed to disprove the 5 points listed in the above post, so it would be incorrect to label them as complete falsehoods. Further, although RicoJ would have been better off to offer an argument as opposed to an insult, your sweeping generalization of Kingstonians is similarly malapropos. That's all to say that I am still on the fence about this. It might be dangerous for business if we bid farewell to the Poker Run in these trying economic times. And could you imagine if Amherstview or Wolfe Island turned around and welcomed the event? Perhaps we could request a portion of the registration fees be donated to improving the local waterfront / environment? But even then, we could run the risk of pushing the event away. @eyesinthecity Regarding the prevalence of self-interest groups, I do not think that Kingston has an overabundance, especially when you compare us to cities of similar size or composition. These types of groups spring up for a reason, and certainly some more noble, well educated, and/or well funded than others. In certain cases, these groups offer a sober, second voice so that key issues are not overlooked by elected officials. When it comes to SPLASH, I think you’d be hard pressed to disprove the 5 points listed in the above post, so it would be incorrect to label them as complete falsehoods. Further, although RicoJ would have been better off to offer an argument as opposed to an insult, your sweeping generalization of Kingstonians is similarly malapropos.

That’s all to say that I am still on the fence about this. It might be dangerous for business if we bid farewell to the Poker Run in these trying economic times. And could you imagine if Amherstview or Wolfe Island turned around and welcomed the event? Perhaps we could request a portion of the registration fees be donated to improving the local waterfront / environment? But even then, we could run the risk of pushing the event away.

]]> By: ryant67 http://www.kingstonist.com/2009/03/12/know-when-to-fold-em/comment-page-1/#comment-1058 ryant67 Sat, 18 Jul 2009 17:54:46 +0000 http://www.kingstonist.com/?p=1007#comment-1058 Erm, this is a joke, right? Of all the things to protest, this seems like a very minor and insignificant item. SPLASH needs to get out more. The arguments just seem so frivolous and nitpicky in nature. Regular citizens do worse on a daily basis for the whole summer, so why pick on the rich, when they at least entertain while doing so and bring money into the already struggling downtown area? How about working on something useful instead, like pushing the city to incorporate more bicycle lanes into the road system, and encourage people to cycle in the downtown area? Erm, this is a joke, right? Of all the things to protest, this seems like a very minor and insignificant item.

SPLASH needs to get out more.

The arguments just seem so frivolous and nitpicky in nature. Regular citizens do worse on a daily basis for the whole summer, so why pick on the rich, when they at least entertain while doing so and bring money into the already struggling downtown area?

How about working on something useful instead, like pushing the city to incorporate more bicycle lanes into the road system, and encourage people to cycle in the downtown area?

]]> By: eyesinthecity http://www.kingstonist.com/2009/03/12/know-when-to-fold-em/comment-page-1/#comment-1057 eyesinthecity Sat, 18 Jul 2009 15:16:13 +0000 http://www.kingstonist.com/?p=1007#comment-1057 Ah, RicoJ, a typical Kingstonian. When someone disagrees with you you have to show your blatant ignorance and start throwing insults. Such a common behaviour of so many residents of this city. If you don't like my opinion, or facts for that matter, that's just too bad. This city is so overrun with self-interest groups trying to force things to be done their way and because of their ignorance, they think that their "goals, objectives and desires" are shared by everybody and that anyone who disagrees is wrong. Lies, propaganda, deceit and censorship are the abvious favourite tools of the trade here in good ol' Kingston. Ah, RicoJ, a typical Kingstonian. When someone disagrees with you you have to show your blatant ignorance and start throwing insults. Such a common behaviour of so many residents of this city. If you don’t like my opinion, or facts for that matter, that’s just too bad. This city is so overrun with self-interest groups trying to force things to be done their way and because of their ignorance, they think that their “goals, objectives and desires” are shared by everybody and that anyone who disagrees is wrong. Lies, propaganda, deceit and censorship are the abvious favourite tools of the trade here in good ol’ Kingston.

]]> By: RicoJ http://www.kingstonist.com/2009/03/12/know-when-to-fold-em/comment-page-1/#comment-1056 RicoJ Sat, 18 Jul 2009 01:57:16 +0000 http://www.kingstonist.com/?p=1007#comment-1056 What an unbelievably dumb comment by "eyesinthecity". Wow. What an unbelievably dumb comment by “eyesinthecity”. Wow.

]]> By: eyesinthecity http://www.kingstonist.com/2009/03/12/know-when-to-fold-em/comment-page-1/#comment-1052 eyesinthecity Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:38:55 +0000 http://www.kingstonist.com/?p=1007#comment-1052 This is by far the best event held in Kingston all year. Nothing else comes close to generating the amount of revenue, attendance or interest that the Poker Run does. Much of the information Splash has put forward are lies and propaganda. These boats run cleaner then almost anything else that you will find floating in Confed Basin that has an engine. The pollution put out by any one of the tour boats tied up at Crawford Wharf exceeds that of any of htese performance boats. I have spoken with MANY of the owners of these boats during past Poker Runs and have never experienced a situation like 3aw6 has described. Most of these people that participate in these events do so for the love of the sport and some of them have to spend an entire year saving up to attend this one event, not all of them are the "millionaires" you people are trying to paint them as. There are many many charities and non-profit organizations that benefit from these Poker Runs every year across North America from the hundreds of thouands of dollars that are raised from the runs and clubs that organize them. Is Kingston going to make another idiot decision like it did with the casino and cancel the Poker Run? I certainly hope not. But if it does, there are many businesses that are going to feel the effects of it the first year its not here. The Poker Run will continue every year, it just may be another city who benefits from it. This is by far the best event held in Kingston all year. Nothing else comes close to generating the amount of revenue, attendance or interest that the Poker Run does. Much of the information Splash has put forward are lies and propaganda. These boats run cleaner then almost anything else that you will find floating in Confed Basin that has an engine. The pollution put out by any one of the tour boats tied up at Crawford Wharf exceeds that of any of htese performance boats. I have spoken with MANY of the owners of these boats during past Poker Runs and have never experienced a situation like 3aw6 has described. Most of these people that participate in these events do so for the love of the sport and some of them have to spend an entire year saving up to attend this one event, not all of them are the “millionaires” you people are trying to paint them as. There are many many charities and non-profit organizations that benefit from these Poker Runs every year across North America from the hundreds of thouands of dollars that are raised from the runs and clubs that organize them. Is Kingston going to make another idiot decision like it did with the casino and cancel the Poker Run? I certainly hope not. But if it does, there are many businesses that are going to feel the effects of it the first year its not here. The Poker Run will continue every year, it just may be another city who benefits from it.

]]> By: Bryan http://www.kingstonist.com/2009/03/12/know-when-to-fold-em/comment-page-1/#comment-836 Bryan Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:53:33 +0000 http://www.kingstonist.com/?p=1007#comment-836 @barbj8 - the fact that an event makes $$$ doesn't justify its continued existence if that's its only virtue. Lots of stuff can be profitable - maybe Kingston should get into selling heroin, creating child pornography, or dumping toxic waste? @barbj8 – the fact that an event makes $$$ doesn’t justify its continued existence if that’s its only virtue. Lots of stuff can be profitable – maybe Kingston should get into selling heroin, creating child pornography, or dumping toxic waste?

]]> By: 3aw6 http://www.kingstonist.com/2009/03/12/know-when-to-fold-em/comment-page-1/#comment-825 3aw6 Mon, 16 Mar 2009 00:53:24 +0000 http://www.kingstonist.com/?p=1007#comment-825 I am not a big fan of this event. I was 'lucky enough' to work for Downtown Kingston a few summers ago and had quite the experience running this event. The boat owners certainly think they have every right to do whatever they want. The attitude many of them gave those of us who were running the event was terrible. Whether it was a summer student like myself, a volunteer, or a member of DK, many of these boaters acted like we should be happy they were gracing us with their presence, and that we should bend over backwards to make them happy. The over consumption paraded around this event is quite disgusting. It is nothing more than a few rich people entertaining the masses with their wealth. The environmental issues associated with this event are quite disgusting, perhaps the city should be looking at hosting different water related events such as dragon boat races or something with less of an impact on the earth. At least an event like that would promote local participation and active lifestyles. I am not a big fan of this event. I was ‘lucky enough’ to work for Downtown Kingston a few summers ago and had quite the experience running this event. The boat owners certainly think they have every right to do whatever they want. The attitude many of them gave those of us who were running the event was terrible. Whether it was a summer student like myself, a volunteer, or a member of DK, many of these boaters acted like we should be happy they were gracing us with their presence, and that we should bend over backwards to make them happy.

The over consumption paraded around this event is quite disgusting. It is nothing more than a few rich people entertaining the masses with their wealth.

The environmental issues associated with this event are quite disgusting, perhaps the city should be looking at hosting different water related events such as dragon boat races or something with less of an impact on the earth. At least an event like that would promote local participation and active lifestyles.

]]> By: barbj8 http://www.kingstonist.com/2009/03/12/know-when-to-fold-em/comment-page-1/#comment-824 barbj8 Mon, 16 Mar 2009 00:13:37 +0000 http://www.kingstonist.com/?p=1007#comment-824 Yet the event does bring revenue to the city, like it or not. In these economic times, Kingston cannot afford to turn away activities like this. Yet the event does bring revenue to the city, like it or not. In these economic times, Kingston cannot afford to turn away activities like this.

]]> By: Bryan http://www.kingstonist.com/2009/03/12/know-when-to-fold-em/comment-page-1/#comment-812 Bryan Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:30:31 +0000 http://www.kingstonist.com/?p=1007#comment-812 I hate events like this. SPLASH hits it on the head. These people (i.e. the big boat enthusiasts) should be finding something more productive to do with all their money. noise + conspicuous consumption + environmental damage = nightmare It's time to grow up, people. I hate events like this. SPLASH hits it on the head. These people (i.e. the big boat enthusiasts) should be finding something more productive to do with all their money.

noise + conspicuous consumption + environmental damage = nightmare

It’s time to grow up, people.

]]> By: leifer http://www.kingstonist.com/2009/03/12/know-when-to-fold-em/comment-page-1/#comment-807 leifer Fri, 13 Mar 2009 03:35:25 +0000 http://www.kingstonist.com/?p=1007#comment-807 I'm torn on this issue. I'm a sucker for big shiny boats... but I agree about every point SPLASH offers. I’m torn on this issue. I’m a sucker for big shiny boats… but I agree about every point SPLASH offers.

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