Comments on: Citizens on Patrol http://www.kingstonist.com/2008/09/12/citizens-on-patrol/ News, Politics, Events, Music, Art, Theatre, Restaurants, Sports, Environment, Everything and Anything in Kingston, Ontario. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:01:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Bryan http://www.kingstonist.com/2008/09/12/citizens-on-patrol/comment-page-1/#comment-417 Bryan Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:25:14 +0000 http://www.kingstonist.com/?p=202#comment-417 Yeah, stricter policing would help, as would Queen's actually getting tough with students who are shaming the school/neighbourhood. The students think they have a right to do this, and that any challenge to this right is somehow oppressive. They seem to honestly believe that they're victims in all this! It's remarkable. Check out <a href="http://www.queensjournal.ca/story/2008-09-16/news/students-under-surveillance/comments/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"> this article</a> for examples of this thinking. Yeah, stricter policing would help, as would Queen’s actually getting tough with students who are shaming the school/neighbourhood.

The students think they have a right to do this, and that any challenge to this right is somehow oppressive. They seem to honestly believe that they’re victims in all this! It’s remarkable. Check out
this article for examples of this thinking.

]]> By: Harvey Kirkpatrick http://www.kingstonist.com/2008/09/12/citizens-on-patrol/comment-page-1/#comment-415 Harvey Kirkpatrick Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:16:40 +0000 http://www.kingstonist.com/?p=202#comment-415 Lofty perch? Sir, you make me blush. I don't know if I would limit it to a Queen's-only tradition, but certainly communities have always experienced some degree of strife when young adults and alcohol combine. It's appalling to consider that some Queen's students are actually carrying on the tradition of destruction. Tyff wasn't bashing the SONAG site just to be mean, as she clearly pointed out that few ppl would find it engaging. I agree that raising awareness with an antiquated website (one that does not even allow comments such as this) will hinder SONAG's success, but even if it was perfect, this is one problem that must be solved offline. As That Guy hinted, I think this problem might be best solved by stricter policing, and heavier fines. Some might call that too harsh...but if we're serious about a solution, let's forgo the rock concerts, and move Homecoming to the dead of winter. Lofty perch? Sir, you make me blush. I don’t know if I would limit it to a Queen’s-only tradition, but certainly communities have always experienced some degree of strife when young adults and alcohol combine. It’s appalling to consider that some Queen’s students are actually carrying on the tradition of destruction.

Tyff wasn’t bashing the SONAG site just to be mean, as she clearly pointed out that few ppl would find it engaging. I agree that raising awareness with an antiquated website (one that does not even allow comments such as this) will hinder SONAG’s success, but even if it was perfect, this is one problem that must be solved offline.

As That Guy hinted, I think this problem might be best solved by stricter policing, and heavier fines. Some might call that too harsh…but if we’re serious about a solution, let’s forgo the rock concerts, and move Homecoming to the dead of winter.

]]> By: That Guy http://www.kingstonist.com/2008/09/12/citizens-on-patrol/comment-page-1/#comment-414 That Guy Tue, 16 Sep 2008 05:14:10 +0000 http://www.kingstonist.com/?p=202#comment-414 The problems in this case are not inheritances for each new property owner to get screwed with anew, but rather they are police matters. Just because somebody does something wrong for a long time doesn't start to make it right. Public drunkenness, hooliganism, violence, burning and destroying property - are you now arguing that it is all just a tradition? I trust you are giving your head a well-deserved shake so that I don't have to suggest it? As for what the solution, perhaps it would be a good start for Kingstonist to fly down from your lofty perch and talk to SONAG. But don't ask Tyffanie...she doesn't like their website. And isn't that how we should judge every issue? By their website...easy peasy... The problems in this case are not inheritances for each new property owner to get screwed with anew, but rather they are police matters.

Just because somebody does something wrong for a long time doesn’t start to make it right. Public drunkenness, hooliganism, violence, burning and destroying property – are you now arguing that it is all just a tradition? I trust you are giving your head a well-deserved shake so that I don’t have to suggest it?

As for what the solution, perhaps it would be a good start for Kingstonist to fly down from your lofty perch and talk to SONAG.

But don’t ask Tyffanie…she doesn’t like their website. And isn’t that how we should judge every issue? By their website…easy peasy…

]]> By: Ian Jackson http://www.kingstonist.com/2008/09/12/citizens-on-patrol/comment-page-1/#comment-412 Ian Jackson Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:33:40 +0000 http://www.kingstonist.com/?p=202#comment-412 Apologist no...more like apathetic. Like Tyffanie said, it's not as though students just started partying over the last 10 years. People forget that when they buy a house near Queen's they inherit some of the universities problems. Apologist no…more like apathetic. Like Tyffanie said, it’s not as though students just started partying over the last 10 years. People forget that when they buy a house near Queen’s they inherit some of the universities problems.

]]> By: Harvey Kirkpatrick http://www.kingstonist.com/2008/09/12/citizens-on-patrol/comment-page-1/#comment-411 Harvey Kirkpatrick Sat, 13 Sep 2008 18:27:20 +0000 http://www.kingstonist.com/?p=202#comment-411 If you do some research, I mentioned that I am a Queen's grad in a previous post (<a href="http://www.kingstonist.com/2008/08/06/whats-in-a-name/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">here</a>), and at least one of our other contributors is as well. That said, a majority of the Kingstonist team members are neither students nor alumni. Obviously the scope of the content found on our site is limited to the experience and interests of our (volunteer) contributors. We are striving to provide a broader perspective that is representative of the community, however those who are affected by this particular problem have not stepped forward to blog about it. Although I sincerely doubt that SONAG will achieve success, please don't interpret my skepticism as a lack of condemnation for the problem. I want to see things around Queen's change, but like so many others I don't know what the absolute solution is. Do you? If you do some research, I mentioned that I am a Queen’s grad in a previous post (here), and at least one of our other contributors is as well. That said, a majority of the Kingstonist team members are neither students nor alumni. Obviously the scope of the content found on our site is limited to the experience and interests of our (volunteer) contributors. We are striving to provide a broader perspective that is representative of the community, however those who are affected by this particular problem have not stepped forward to blog about it. Although I sincerely doubt that SONAG will achieve success, please don’t interpret my skepticism as a lack of condemnation for the problem. I want to see things around Queen’s change, but like so many others I don’t know what the absolute solution is. Do you?

]]> By: That Guy http://www.kingstonist.com/2008/09/12/citizens-on-patrol/comment-page-1/#comment-410 That Guy Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:47:20 +0000 http://www.kingstonist.com/?p=202#comment-410 Good for SONAG - looks like someone is tackling the issue. I looked through the pictures, and it is obvious that there are major problems. All I've seen so far on Kingstonist is apologists for this behaviour; is this blog written by students? Full disclosure is needed here. Kingstonist purports to represent the community, when will that begin? Good for SONAG – looks like someone is tackling the issue. I looked through the pictures, and it is obvious that there are major problems.

All I’ve seen so far on Kingstonist is apologists for this behaviour; is this blog written by students? Full disclosure is needed here.

Kingstonist purports to represent the community, when will that begin?

]]> By: Tyffanie http://www.kingstonist.com/2008/09/12/citizens-on-patrol/comment-page-1/#comment-409 Tyffanie Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:31:45 +0000 http://www.kingstonist.com/?p=202#comment-409 Oh my goodness.. I had to check out SONAG webpage. It's hard to call it a webpage though. It's like one of those webpages that you make in highschool for a html course or something. If they upgrade to something that's more Web2.0, I think they might get more people to see and comment on the issue. I'm hesitant to even call it an issue. Student partying issues have been happening for generations. I remember my highschool principal talk about the beer parties he attended when he went to Queen's University. I wonder if the residents of the Student Area have a selective memory? Oh my goodness.. I had to check out SONAG webpage. It’s hard to call it a webpage though. It’s like one of those webpages that you make in highschool for a html course or something. If they upgrade to something that’s more Web2.0, I think they might get more people to see and comment on the issue. I’m hesitant to even call it an issue. Student partying issues have been happening for generations. I remember my highschool principal talk about the beer parties he attended when he went to Queen’s University. I wonder if the residents of the Student Area have a selective memory?

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